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akio pwns · May 22, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Due to the PVP-PVE line now soon to be made and with shadow form comming back to life more in PVE i thought of 2 new builds to farm apon. Both have little energy manadgement but really the derv one Needs it the most. The ele build can be a quick KO if not then a prolonged one.

Bip necro
1.Necrosis
2.Cry of Pain
3.Archane echo
4.Ether nightmare
5.Defile enchantments
6.Blood renewal
7.Blood Is Power(E)
8. (rez,blood ritual, other)

Usadge: Dont need to explain

1. Derv/ Ass.

optional(I am unstoppable- for knockdowns)(Fleeting stabilty- if no eotn)(Pain inverter- faster death)(Radiation Field- degen)
Sand Shards
Shadow Sanctuary
Heart of Fury
Shadow Form (E)
Deadly paradox
Mystic Regeneration
Faithful Intervention

Armor: Full Radiant, attunement tunes,Superior earth prayers, minor mysticism, earth prayers head armor

Weapon : Begginers suntouched scythe (+5 inscription) (20% longer enchantments)

Att: 15 earth prayers, 6 mysticism, 12 shadow magic, Rest in deadly arts

Usadge: faithful intervention when zoning in. Before entering battle put on mystic regen then if casters are there use the shadow form with deadly paradow right after. !!!MUST!!!! For this build to work you must take an essence of clarity and use it. Use Sand Shards with Heart of fury then Sanctuary following. attack at will, hopefully all those enemies have piled up if melee and are missing. At the rate you should be doing around 66 AOE damadge with a 33% attack boost. Keep paradox up at all times, When needed to with the math done already you should be able to overlap Shadow form without losing health. Wait for sanctuary to recharge and go again.

Cons: energy manadgement, Damadge output,
Pros: invincibilty(not from AOE damadge or dissenchantment spirit)

2. Ele/Ass

Crystal Wave
Tenai's crystals
Silver Armor
Glyph of Swiftness
deadly paradox
Shadow Form(E)
Earth Attunement
I am unstoppable!(Norn)

Armor: all radiant,superior earth magic, superior energy manadgement, major vigor, attunement runes.

Weapon: doesnt matter

Usadge : use earth attunement, use then deadly paradox with glyph of swiftness with shadow form. Use i am unstoppable if they are any knockdowns, Afterwards use silver armor and othere attacks to whipe out in seconds if not then well its a continous walk in the park.

Pros: everything,energy manadgement

Hopefully i have given dervs a NEW WAY TO FARM and possible solo farm. Not Knowing till the update if it does work... It seems to be logical that you can use it. i wouldnt know if interrupts would go thorugh since ass attacks miss with shadow form on. If this is so i Present the new alternatives to those GREEDY MONEY HUNGRY 600 monks. BEHOLD. BTW i take credit for THE D/A build BECAUSE there is NO shadow form derv build and the trash build on wiki of the shard farmer is weak, I made this build*AGAIN D/A ONLY*(if it works)

mistokibbles · May 22, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

What's the point in faithful, mystic regen and balth's spirit? Shouldn't the derv be taking no damage at all? Oh I just realized mystic regen can be used to counter degen. I really like the idea for this build and I tihnk i'll try it later.

Marverick · May 22, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Deadly Paradox is not enough to keep up Shadow Form alone. DP makes SF recharge in 40 seconds, the new duration is 30 (dunno if that's at 12 spec or 15, either way it won't work since 20% enchant only increases it to 36).

R.Shayne · May 22, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

Deadly Paradox is not enough to keep up Shadow Form alone. DP makes SF recharge in 40 seconds, the new duration is 30 (dunno if that's at 12 spec or 15, either way it won't work since 20% enchant only increases it to 36).

I think it is at 15 attribute

Will have to echo it since even with 20% enchant, [Shadow [email protected]] still going to have 2 - 5 secs without cover.

If the 30 Sec is at 12 attribute, could easily keep it up.

Lest121 · May 22, 2008, 05:19 AM // 05:19

I did some testing today and there's a 6secs right now without the update, the update will give us 9secs with that i can keep SF permanently as an A/E.

ShoGunTheOne · May 22, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

have anyone tested Glyph of Swiftness + 20% enchant + Deadly Paradox?

Lest121 · May 22, 2008, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShoGunTheOne

have anyone tested Glyph of Swiftness + 20% enchant + Deadly Paradox?

That's what i am testing with right now.

FengShuiDove · May 22, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

Easy calculation. 33% recharge makes the downtime of Shadow Form 40 seconds. 25% faster knocks it to 30s. 20% enchanting makes it wonderfully easy.

On topic... I don't really see the point. You've got maintained enchantments on a Shadow Former. Shadow form causes attacks to miss, dude. These builds are less reliable than even the former perma-Shadow and don't do much more.

Onyx Blindbow · May 22, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

The point of this debate is?

e/a can already farm our asses off with SF as it is now, once it is prolonged it just makes it that much easier xD

duo builds above are pointless imo, if u want to duo farm make a monk and go duo with a monk or a necro, if u want to solo farm make an Ele or Rit or Assasin.

the Shadow Form 5-30secs will refer to 0-12 (as all skills in wiki do) so at 15 it would be (36 seconds + 20%ench=43 seconds) -33% paradox recharge= perma SF for an assasin

akio pwns · May 22, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

* Shadow Form Shadow Form: increased duration to 5..30 seconds.

i dont know whats wrong with you people when you dont read whats going to happen. its going to increase its duration. I simply gave out an IDEA of a derv build, by god i dont get scrutinized for an IDEA.

btw its would be 30 sec for 15 attributes in shadow magic, take off 3 to amke 12. thats 27 seconds add a plus 20%longer enchant, thats 32.4 seconds. with the essence and paradox you get a recharge time of around 26 seconds.

Fengshuidude the enchants are the damadge dealing, obviously you didnt read the post earlier because its counter degen or counter AOE because AOE damdge affects shadow form.

Onyx i have an ele i can farm this is just a Test Build because no one has tested it yet.

and again i said You need to bring a ESSENCE OF CLARITY every farm, for the dervish to bring down recharge times.

FengShuiDove · May 22, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by akio pwns

* Shadow Form Shadow Form: increased duration to 5..30 seconds.

i dont know whats wrong with you people when you dont read whats going to happen. its going to increase its duration. I simply gave out an IDEA of a derv build, by god i dont get scrutinized for an IDEA.

btw its would be 30 sec for 15 attributes in shadow magic, take off 3 to amke 12. thats 27 seconds add a plus 20%longer enchant, thats 32.4 seconds. with the essence and paradox you get a recharge time of around 26 seconds.

Fengshuidude the enchants are the damadge dealing, obviously you didnt read the post earlier because its counter degen or counter AOE because AOE damdge affects shadow form.

Onyx i have an ele i can farm this is just a Test Build because no one has tested it yet.

and again i said You need to bring a ESSENCE OF CLARITY every farm, for the dervish to bring down recharge times.

1. Trust me, I read the update. And trust me, I know what Shadow Form does and what goes through it. In most instances you do not need any form of healing or "Bonding". I don't think YOU read the skill description, as you tossed Balthazar's Spirit into the "bonder" build which is a total waste of a skill space on a Shadow Former as well as a waste of 1 pip of regen. The whole point of the solo farmer is to solo farm. 600/Smite is way faster than your builds and far more workable/effective.

2. The Eleway with GoS and DP has already been discussed, and considering that lots of E/As already farm with Shadow Form and similar Earth or Fire builds (situation dependent), you're stealing someone else's idea and slapping your label on it.

3. I did not criticize you for your idea. You posted a suggestion that was not good and got all excited about nothing. You didn't invent the new farmer.

4. I take this as an insult:

"i wouldnt know if interrupts would go thorugh since ass attacks miss with shadow form on"

You should NOT be posting builds based around a skill whose function you are unsure of.

akio pwns · May 22, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

you know what i didnt relize on balthazars spirit with the shadow form, SRRY if i got you on your period. I didnt SAY i built the shadow form E/A build. I made a typo. I TAKE CREDIT FOR THE D/A build. and no its not the stupid old version because it couldnt take form.

Fine you dont need a bonder but a Necro with bip, other aoe skills can make any of the 2 builds farmable. I know the skil shadow form. NONE OF YOU ever think to read i said essence of clarity, and dont just quote my posts thinking that you read it all. With it the derv build works. I even gave a idea with glpyh of swiftness with shadow form for sins. So there i did something

btw i dont knwo how you can be insulted by something i didnt say directed towards you, NONE OF MY ALLIANCE MEMEBRS knew if the interrupt would do anything or nothing.
and finally dont scrutinize me on something me, nor you, not anyone has tried yet.(derv build, nor ele build with BiP)because you never know it could become famous amous.

Mr Emu · May 22, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

so quit bitching for a sec and tell me if GoS+DP+20%=permanant

Mr Pvper · May 22, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

yes it is permanent and i have tested it and came up the idea b4 i read this lol :P

akio pwns · May 23, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

mr emu u shut up u didnt need to curse.

mr pvp i didnt say i made it READ

update* my derv works perfectly but it doesnt hold up long, BUT and so you people see clearly BUT It does work but due to AOE scatter the necro would be better with, not solo-able but duo-able. Would of been able to kill raptors in nm and hm if they didnt scatter and due to them using critical defenses , sanctuary wouldnt be needed.

o and onyx before you post something, raed what you say, duo farming is pointless? and you say 600/smite is better... talk about looking smart.